The Future of Our Block:

Summer 2024

Dear saints,

It has been a busy summer for the Future of Our Block Steering Committee. We have worked through all of the excellent insights you offered as a parish during months of engagement this spring and I am delighted to share the fruits of that labor here. 
There are three documents for you to peruse:
  • The Future of Our Block Parish Engagement Report: Discerning Our Future Together 
  • The appendix to that report, which collates all of your comments and insights from surveys, town halls, home gatherings and conversations
  • And a 2022 report from the Urban Land Institute who worked with the committee to imagine possibilities for the block and think through process
I hope that you will find these reports to be both informative and inspiring. 
Since our parish engagement work ended in the early summer, the block committee has been working through major conceptual themes, assessing current building conditions, considering massing studies of our campus, and has remained in conversation with key local institutions such as Georgia Tech. It is long, detailed and thorough work, and I am deeply grateful for the dedication of our committee members as we embark on it on behalf of the parish. 
The vestry has remained informed of progress throughout and the vestry and block committee will retreat together next month to make a summative assessment of where things stand with our discernment. We are also looking to carry out financial feasibility studies with the aim of bringing back to the parish possibilities for the future of our block that are both inspirational and practical.
In October, we have time set aside in Ellis Hall so we can share where we are at with this process. Until then, I will continue to offer weekly updates by email and as always I welcome you to reach out however you'd like if you have any questions, suggestions or epiphanies.
Every blessing.

Peace,

The Rev. Dr. Simon Mainwaring, Rector 


Future Church Task Force Report

Future of Our Block Parish Engagement Report

Future of Our Block Parish Engagement Report Appendix

2022 Urban Land Institute Report

Contact the Steering Committee




Future of Our Block E-Mail Updates: 2024

Monday, October 14, 2024

Dear saints, 
Thank you to everyone who was able to join in-person or online yesterday for the forum on the future of our block. It was wonderful to be able to share the hard work of the Future Church Task Force which culminated in the excellent report which you can read online here.
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Monday, September 30, 2024

Dear saints, 

If my plane takes off and lands as it should, by the time you read this I will be in London to attend the fall board meeting and annual general meeting of the Compass Rose Society, the fundraising body for the work of the Anglican Communion of which All Saints' is a member...

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Wednesday, September 11, 2024

Dear saints, 

This weekend the Vestry and the Future of Our Block steering committee will be on retreat together as we continue to make great progress with our discernment work for the future of the church on our city block. We plan to cover a lot of ground...

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Tuesday, August 27, 2024

Dear saints, 

One of my favorite elements of our years-long discernment process over the future God calls us to on this block has been all of the learning I've been able to do....

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Monday, August 19, 2024

Dear saints, 

As promised last week, for the next couple of months I will share a weekly note as we continue to discern how God calls us forward to be the church in this place. ....

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Monday, August 12, 2024

Dear saints, 

It has been a busy summer for the Future of Our Block Steering Committee. We have worked through all of the excellent insights you offered as a parish during months of engagement this spring and I am delighted to share the fruits of that labor here... 

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Tuesday, May 7, 2024

Dear saints, 

Last Sunday, we offered back to you what we heard you say about the future of All Saints' on this city block. Sunday marked the end of our "information gathering" phase... 

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Monday, April 29, 2024

Dear saints, 
Across the street from my office window in Egleston, I can see the North Avenue MARTA station. Over the past couple of weeks it has been getting a facelift. ..
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Monday, April 22, 2024

Dear saints, 
I’ve had the gift and opportunity to spend the past week with clergy from across the United States. It has been fascinating to hear about the relationships they and their church communities have toward their buildings...
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Monday, April 15, 2024

Dear saints, 
Well, there was no ice cream on the walls and nobody left Ellis Hall hungry on Sunday morning. Sundae Survey Sunday was a grand success not only because the ice cream and their many and varied toppings were truly fantastic, but also because we now have surpassed our goal of survey responses totaling our average Sunday attendance, which apparently in the world of church surveys for rector searches and other such things is a gold standard. At the time of this writing we are at about 115% of our average Sunday attendance, so the response to this effort has been tremendous. ...
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Monday, April 8, 2024

Dear saints, 
In the early fifth century, bishop and theologian Augustine of Hippo wrote, "Receive what you are and become what you receive." Augustine was referring to the sacrament of the Eucharist. He goes on in his sermon: "If you, therefore, are Christ's body and members, it is your own mystery that is placed on the Lord's table! It is your own mystery that you are receiving! You are saying 'Amen' to what you are." What a wonderful image that is: that we place our own mystery on the table of the Lord's supper, our own lives on the altar. Receive your own mystery...
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Monday, April 1, 2024

Dear saints,
Greetings to one and all this Easter Monday. The staff and I are enjoying a few days respite this week following what was a truly wonderful Easter weekend at All Saints' this year.
For my own part, I have jumped across the pond to spend a few days with my mom, who of late has been having her own real estate discernment season. After nearly forty years she is leaving the home I spent most of my later childhood in and all the years since before I emigrated stateside. It was a curious experience to see that home of ours up on the English equivalent of Zillow. What's a picture of my bedroom doing on there? And was that really the color we painted the kitchen? Discombobulating, to be sure...
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Monday, March 25, 2024

Dear saints,
If there is a word that I have heard repeated more than any other as I have chatted to people about their hopes for our block, it is 'community'. People love our church building. Our music is food for the soul and our core ministries speak to what it means to be the people of God in this place. Yet, for most, it seems, it is the people, the relationships, the community of All Saints' that lies at the heart of who we are as a church...
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Monday, March 18, 2024

Dear saints,
This past Sunday, I preached about the retirement of Christendom. If Christendom was people choosing church on a Sunday morning, or for their child's baptism, or for their wedding day, Christendom's retirement is people choosing sports leagues and golf courses and sleep on a Sunday morning instead. That’s a rather crude way to put it, but the essence is there. You and I are living at the turning of a page.
It is easy to see such change as a threat to what we have known. Believe me, I feel that too from time to time. Not only have I chosen the church as the vessel for my working life, it is also an integral part of my personal story. Take the church as I have known it out of my life's journey and honestly, I am not sure where my path would have taken me...
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Monday, March 11, 2024

Dear saints,
Thank you to everyone who has already filled out our parish survey. It is exciting to see so many of you engaging in this important discernment process. If you have not yet filled out a survey, please follow the link below. I am very grateful for your time.
As we imagine our future it is helpful to get a fuller sense of our present in terms of life on our block today...
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Monday, March 4, 2024

Dear saints,
We are now six weeks into this exciting season as a parish as we discern together the future of our block. We have held four town halls, we have begun a series of ten home gatherings across metro-Atlanta and QR-coded posters have been soliciting your vision for the block all over the campus.
Today, we are delighted to be able to launch our parish-wide survey (see below my signature). This survey has been carefully put together by our parish engagement committee. As it says in its introductory note, it is intended to be thought-provoking and open-ended enough for you to think about the future through the lens of what is most important to you about our life as a church...
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Monday, February 26, 2024

Dear saints,
In the last parish that I served, in San Diego, California, at some point in the 1960s they started a program called "TIO," which stood for "talk it over." The gist of it was that small groups of parishioners would meet in one another's homes, sit in a circle, and tell one another what they really had on their minds about their life together. I suppose it was part of that decade's movement toward liberation on all sorts of fronts.
For a season, the TIO groups became a lens through which people saw the possibility of a new church, a new way of being the Body of Christ freed from the shackles of religious niceties and norms. After some time, and perhaps predictably, things started to fray at the edges as people discovered that at some point all the talk would need to lead somewhere. Eventually, TIO decided to talk it over no more.
Our first home gathering is scheduled for this week, one of ten opportunities for us to "talk it over" with regard to the future of our church and of this city block...
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Monday, February 19, 2024

Dear saints,
On Sunday, we had our final of four town hall meetings in Ellis Hall. It has been wonderful to hear an array of parishioners share their insights and visions for our block. We have recorded each of the sessions, and you can catch up on last Sunday's and the preceding sessions on our website via the links below. 
Things now move to a smaller scale as we begin home gatherings across ten homes in the metro-Atlanta area over the next several weeks. If you heaven't already, please sign up below. Early next month we will also send out the parish-wide survey that will ask each of us to share our individual aspirations for the block. One-on-one conversations will also continue, and if you would like to have one of those please do reach out.I hope by now you have got the message we are trying to convey: we want to hear from you... 
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Monday, February 12, 2024

Dear saints,
One of the more (among many) charming things I learned about Atlanta on coming here nearly seven years ago was that in this city it is possible for a grand idea to become a bold reality. The grand idea belonged to Ryan Gravel, whose Georgia Tech Master's thesis, 'Belt Line - Atlanta Design of Infrastructure as a Reflection of Public Policy', has led to the transformation of in-town Atlanta's abandoned train line. 
When I walk or cycle on the Beltline from our home in Midtown, I marvel at the glorious diversity of human life that shares that busy thoroughfare with me. Whatever Atlantans might think of the Beltline in its current iteration—not least Ryan Gravel himself—one of its most potent legacies in a city that strives to reconcile the divisions of the past is how a path just a few feet wide has become common ground for thousands each day...
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Monday, February 5, 2024

Dear saints,
Yesterday, Ellis Hall was packed with parents and grandparents, teens and toddlers, and an array of parishioners enjoying every minute of the Children's Musical led by our Primary and Junior Choirs. It was also Karol Kimmell's final production in this her swan song year at All Saints' before she moves into a well-earned retirement in the early summer. 
As I sat there, I couldn't help but let my mind wander to think of the hundreds of children who have stood before similarly packed rooms over the years under Karol's leadership, and also the hundreds of children and youth who call this church home today...
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Monday, January 29, 2024

Dear saints,
Yesterday, we held the first of three town halls that we have scheduled as we move into our parish engagement phase of the future of our block work. It was an excellent beginning. The chair of our parish engagement team, Kate Stradtman, introduced Hank Houser of Houser Walker who is very capably facilitating the sessions.  
I have been eagerly looking forward to starting this stage of the journey. The pause that the pandemic necessarily created for our block work allowed us to pour even more of ourselves into learning about what is happening around us locally and nationally, so much so that Hank Houser noted that he had never worked with any church or other organization that had committed so much to learning before launching a design process like this.
I felt both a sense of pride in All Saints' that we had chosen to be so thorough—as always—and a sense of joy that at last, now is the time for us to learn from one another... I commend the recording of the town hall to you. Please click on this link to see it...
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Monday, January 22, 2024

Dear saints,
It was thrilling yesterday to speak to a packed Ellis Hall as we launched our discernment work as a parish for the future of our block. During that forum I laid out what I believe are some of the key considerations for this time ahead. All Saints' and the city block is inhabits is a gift entrusted to us. Our call at this time is to prayerfully ask of one another how we should make the most of that gift for this and for future generations.
We know that whatever we do with our block we want it to further our mission as a church and help resource and sustain that work for the long-term. If you were not able to be in Ellis yesterday or join us online, I encourage you to catch up on our launch by watching this video recording of the forum here...
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Wednesday, January 17, 2024


Dear saints,
It is my delight to be able to welcome you to this new e-mail update from me about the future of our block. You can expect to get an update each week as we seek to keep the parish informed about where we are with our parish engagement process as we discern together how God calls us forward.
As we draw together to discern the future of our block, from the outset there are a couple of things that are worth naming clearly...
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Future of Our Block Video Resources: 2024

Sunday, October 13, 2024

Future of Our Block Forum: The Future Church Report and Our Core Ministries

Sunday, October 13, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall and Online

Join our rector, Simon, this Sunday for the first in a three-part forum series offering an update on our discernment process for the future of the church on our block. During the forum you will hear a summary of the Future Church Task Force report from Simon, and from each of our core ministry leaders about their vision for the future. For more information please contact Simon Mainwaring, .

Sunday, May 5, 2024

Future Of Our Block Forum: Share Your Thoughts
Sunday, May 5, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall

Join Simon and the steering committee for the Future of Our Block as they share a summary of all of the wide array of reflections and insights we have heard via the block survey, town halls, home gatherings, online comments, e-mail and one-on-one conversations. There is a lot of great input to share!

Sunday, January 21, 2024

Future of Our Block Parish Engagement Launch

Sunday January 21, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall

Join our Rector, Simon Mainwaring, as we launch our Future of Our Block parish engagement process. Simon will lay out the process for the next several weeks, the core questions we want to raise up as a parish and how you can lend your voice as we discern how God calls us to fashion our block for the future of All Saints'.

Sunday, January 28, 2024

Future of Our Block Parish Engagement Launch

Sunday, January 28, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall

Join fellow parishioners in Ellis Hall for a town hall style conversation about the future of our block. Please come and share what's most important to you about our church, your ideas and visions for the block, and what you feel we should pay most attention to through this process. This is the first in a series of three town halls.

Sunday, February 11, 2024


Future of Our Block: Town Hall #2

Sunday, February 11, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall

Join fellow parishioners in Ellis Hall for a town hall style conversation about the future of our block. Please come and share what's most important to you about our church, your ideas and visions for the block, and what you feel we should pay most attention to through this process. This is the second in a series of three town halls.

Sunday, February 18, 2024

Future of Our Block: Town Hall #3

Sunday, February 18, 10:20 a.m. - 11:05 a.m., Ellis Hall

Join fellow parishioners in Ellis Hall for a town hall style conversation about the future of our block. Please come and share what's most important to you about our church, your ideas and visions for the block, and what you feel we should pay most attention to through this process. This is the third in a series of three town halls.



How Does God Call Us Forward?

Thanks to the generosity of the people of this parish, we now own the entirety of our block. This achievement, one long hoped for by parishioners who came before us, now offers us the exciting opportunity to envision together how we can leave a legacy for future generations.

In the fall of 2018, a steering committee was commissioned by the vestry to guide the parish over the coming years through the work of discerning the future of our block. During the first year, noting all that was happening in our immediate neighborhood of Midtown, the committee determined that we would be well-served by committing to a time of learning together.

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The committee began their work by meeting with different partners in our community to learn about the changing face of Midtown, including Midtown Alliance, Georgia Tech, and Emory Healthcare.

One of the repeated messages we heard was how much Midtown is changing. For the past four decades, Midtown Alliance, a nonprofit coalition of business and community leaders, has been at the heart of that change. It focuses on planning and development in Midtown, and their assessment is that Midtown is becoming one of America’s most vibrant residential and commercial urban neighborhoods.

During our year of learning, we heard three key strengths that Midtown offers to those who work, make home, and play here, which are most pertinent to our own place in this part of the city of Atlanta.

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Midtown is fast becoming one of the most desirable places both to live and work in Atlanta. Year by year, more and more people drive and walk by our block, and come to see our place on the landscape as part of a larger walkable and accessible whole. Our neighborhood is increasingly a place where people want to be, and linger, and enjoy one another’s company, the very things we rely on ourselves for the formation of our own community.

Midtown is Becoming a Hub for Talent and Innovation

If we were to trace a line from our corner on North Avenue, down West Peachtree past Tech Square, we would pass through one of the most concentrated hubs of innovation and technology in the country. The most prominent example for us is the new headquarters of Norfolk Southern across the street, focusing its operations and innovation work within this West Peachtree tech corridor.

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The exciting invitation that this hub of innovation presents to us as a church is how our own mission and ministries might continue to adapt and grow to meet the needs and excite the imaginations of those innovating, literally down our street.

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Midtown is Accessible via Public Transportation

Our neighborhood has the benefit of having three MARTA Stations: North Avenue, Midtown, and Arts Center. Access to public transportation is one ofthe key drivers of the growth and development of Midtown. We are placed right at the heart of that transit zone, and have an opportunity to invite in the thousands who pass by our beautiful block every day.

In conversation with two of Midtown’s largest institutions, Georgia Tech and Emory Healthcare Midtown, we heard two themes that characterize much of what we see developing around us: innovation and collaboration.

Innovation

Both Georgia Tech and Emory Healthcare in Midtown have a strong focus on innovation. Nearly 25 years ago, Georgia Tech had a vision to effectively connect the university to the Midtown community through a development now called Technology Square. 

The district, just north of us in Midtown, has evolved to combine research, business, and education such that innovative enterprises, from small business start-ups to large international corporations, have planted and blossomed in our immediate neighborhood increasingly year by year.

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 Emory Healthcare has made significant investments in Midtown over the past few years. The recently opened Proton Therapy Center provides advanced radiation technologies for cancer patients and the construction and opening of the new Winship Cancer Institute has enabled Emory Healthcare to have one of the leading cancer care facilities of its type in the country right down the street from our church.

Collaboration 

Technology Square has created a place for the community, the university, and businesses to share space and work together creatively and effectively. The most prominent example is CODA, a mixed-use building for university researchers, students, and companies to work side by side in a space that is intentionally built for collaboration and relationship-building. Both the inside and outside of the building were designed for small and large groups to gather to share space and ideas. 

Serving Those In Need

As we ponder how God might invite us forward as a church, another vital part of our landscape are the many service agencies in the area. Steering committee members engaged in a broad array of conversations with service agencies, both faith-based and secular, based in Midtown and further afield around Atlanta.

0e16996774_1705523891_screenshot-2024-01-17-at-33733-pm.pngThe committee spoke to 40 service agencies that provide education, advocacy, healthcare, housing, food, shelter, job  training, and more. We connected with many of these organizations based on their existing relationships with our four core ministries, Covenant Community, Threads, Refugee Ministries, and the Midtown Assistance Center.

From these conversations, we learned about all of the incredible work that happens around us, at all hours of the day and night, to serve vulnerable populations, including children, refugees, and people experiencing a wide variety of crises from homelessness and food insecurity to illness, violence, and more.

 We asked the leaders of these organizations two key questions to find out more about the scope of their work today and their vision for the future: 0e16996786_1705524278_screenshot-2024-01-17-at-34254-pm.png

- What are your biggest challenges? 

- What do you perceive to be the unmet needs of the communities you serve?

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From their answers, we learned more about their greatest needs and most prevalent concerns for the future and saw some common themes emerge with certain core needs identified:

  1. More stable, affordable housing. 
  2. Greater access to tutoring and after school/ summer school programs for children.
  3. More job opportunities for people in transition. 
  4. Greater resources to support mental health and long-term recovery from addiction and illness.
  5. Wider access to transportation to bridge the gaps that MARTA doesn’t reach.
  6. More collaboration among non-profits and the space to do so.


Learning from our Sister Churches

The final stage of our learning work was to understand what other churches are doing with their buildings and grounds, both here in Atlanta and across the country. As part of that learning, we engaged in a series of annual ‘Gift of Place’ conferences sponsored by Trinity Episcopal Church on Wall Street, New York City. All Saints’ presented at the inaugural conference at the Kanuga Camp and Conference Center, and did so again at following conferences online. We also co-led workshop sessions at the Episcopal Parish Network conference in Atlanta.  

As we learned about what our sister churches are doing, we saw a few key patterns emerge. 

A number of churches are looking to expand existing or to build new residential components to their mission as a church.

In Denver, St. John’s Episcopal Cathedral's St. Francis Center (sjcathedral.org/saintfrancis) is working in collaboration with the Colorado Housing and Finance Authority to provide permanent supportive housing for 50 formerly homeless people.

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apartments that house women in transition, rent free, for up to twelve months.

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One of the most ambitious projects locally is at First United Methodist Church of Atlanta where the church is  seeking “to bring a “God-size vision” for affordable housing and mix-use community space to life in downtown Atlanta”. 

The project intends to build 320 new homes, 192 of which would be affordable units, and 80 Atlanta subsidized units. There are also plans to incorporate a new school, retail space and parking.

Such larger scale projects are complimented by churches like Church of the Advocate in Chapel Hill, NC, who in collaboration with Pee Wee Homes is building a tiny home village on its church grounds. 

St. John’s Episcopal Church, Getty Square, NY (episcopalarts.org/about) is embarking on a similarly transformational journey in the construction of a performing arts high school next to its historic 19th century church building.

0e16996847_1705525124_screenshot-2024-01-17-at-35756-pm.pngChurch of the Heavenly Rest in Manhattan (heavenlyrest.org) also houses a school and with it Bluestone Lane Café drawing visitors into the church’s property through the week, hosting arts performances and exhibitions and utilizing its commercial kitchen for a back-to-work program for formerly incarcerated individuals.  

The common thread to each of the projects we have been in dialogue with is ‘transformational community’. We are seeing the difference churches can make in their respective locations because they already are engaged in sharing life together with the local communities around them in various ways and are committed to serving Christ in the lives of others.

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Our Guiding Principles 

A little over thirty years ago, All Saints’ produced a video called ‘Here to Stay’. Our first guiding principle is that we are indeed here to stay! We have no desire or intention to sell our property. Midtown is where our future lies and we are excited about and committed to serving God in this place for decades to come. 

The end of that video named some essential elements of our church: acceptance, innovation, education, worship, family, openness, change, 

service, witness, outreach, and at the heart of it all, people. The values of that era remain our values today. More valuable than any corner of our block, our highest and best at All Saints’ is and always will be people. 

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Alongside this core conviction, several other central tenets of our work have emerged thus far. As the beating heart of our life as a parish, we will retain our church building as it is. Our historic place of worship is a treasure we wish to preserve and invest in so that it can be a beacon of hope in the lives of the saints of today and for generations to come.

We also see our green spaces as an incredible asset to the city and to our life as a church, and we wish to safeguard those spaces even as we imagine how our bricks and mortar might change. 

We know that there is a need for us to have adequate parking to meet the transport demands of a wide-spread population of church-goers. 

We are clear that we want our activity and building spaces on this block to further our mission as a church and at the same time we wish to be mindful of our responsibility to the future as faithful stewards of Christ in this place, looking to our long-term financial sustainability and our environmental impact. 

These are guiding principles that we have identified thus far. They are not exhaustive and we anticipate as we move into a focused engagement process as a parish that further principles, needs and desires will emerge. 

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Building on all that we have learned, during the first half of 2024, we will engage in a parish-wide conversation about the future of our block. The single desire this process of engagement has is to listen to our parish. 

There are multiple ways by which we invite that listening to take place: 

  • Come to one of three town halls in Ellis Hall (Sundays January 28th, February 11th and February 18th).
  • Attend one of ten home gatherings (between February 29th and April 21st). 
  • Complete a parish-wide survey available online and on paper.
  • Share free-form thoughts via a QR code online and on paper.
  • Engage in informal conversations with members of the steering committee, the vestry, and the staff.
  • Share ideas by writing to a dedicated future of our block email address:
  • Call the church office and ask to chat to the rector! 

Our aim is to conclude our initial listening work by May 2024. At that point, the steering committee will report back to the parish all that we have learned.

To help us achieve that goal, we are working with Houser Walker, a firm that specializes in master planning and has worked with a large number of churches and other organizations facilitating processes of listening and discernment.

Ultimately, all of this work will return to where it began with the steering committee making a recommendation to the vestry which will make a decision about the future of our block on behalf of the parish.

As we listen to one another and cast a vision on behalf not only ourselves but future generations whose lives will be enriched through this church, we are all invited to hold All Saints’ and this process in our prayers as we ask how it is that God calls us forward in this place.



A Prayer for Discerning the Future of Our Block
Loving God, maker of the heavens and the earth, 
we give thanks for the gift of the life that we share as your church.
May your Spirit of wisdom inspire our hearts and enrich our minds.
May we discern your will for the church in this place 
with audacious courage and a lively hope. 
And may all that we seek to be and do 
be offered with humility to your glory, 
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. 


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